one is freedom from religion and that applies to government. the other part is freedom of religion, and that belongs to private citizens like you, me, and everybody else in this country. and the issue is when private citizens want to express their belief that christ is at the center of christmas and display a nativity scene or an overtly religious depiction of the significance of christmas, there are government efforts to suppress that. >> how so, sir? how so? >> well, how so? it happens, unfortunately, all too often, but increasingly we're having and enjoying a lot of success and we're doing that here in illinois and also elsewhere. >> but i'm delighted to hear you say that there is no war on christmas because i find it hard to imagine that there is one. but with regard to the specific issue of arlington heights where there was some sort of controversy, wasn't this because your client didn't actually fill out the paperwork properly. and, in fact, an attorney for the arlington heights park district said this, there's no real controversy. if you